Zach has watched the People Make Games documentary about Jerry's Map twice, and cried both times. So when Jerry Gretzinger and his wife Meg Staley join him, almost 45 years into their marriage, he sets the map aside and asks about the two of them.
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"What makes him interesting is also the thing that drives me crazy."
Meg Staley, about Jerry Gretzinger
"You're just taking care of each other in these really simple, small, normal ways."
Zach, about Meg & Jerry
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