Love Across Oceans with Kimberly Crossman & Tom Walsh

Where are you right now?

On a couch in Santa Monica. Los Angeles, California.

Because you guys are all over the place. You're.

Emotionally. Mentally and emotionally.

We travel a lot. Yes.

Yeah.

Well, we've had a we've had a whale of a time trying to schedule our.

Time, you know?

Because time. You travel a lot. Or do you live in different places? How does that work?

Well, I'm sort of part time in New Zealand and in America and other places around the world. Okay. Just depends on where the work is, really. I go to wherever that is.

We're here now.

You're here now for for a minute. Like you're here for a little while.

Yeah.

For at least seven days.

Yeah. Another week. I've been here for about a month, so. Yeah. I mean, I'll get back to New Zealand for a couple of weeks and. Yeah. Just commute.

How do you manage? How do you figure that? How do you do that with each other?

Well, it's it can be, it can be challenging, obviously. You know, I miss Kim a lot. But we WhatsApp is really handy, and. Yeah, just,

We have a few rules. To, like, always say good morning. Always say good night. You know, like those kind of things. And we're kind of in touch with each other all day, every day. So, because we like each other a lot. Yeah. So we have pretty good.

We actually like talking to.

Yeah, yeah, yeah a lot. Yeah.

Really helps.

Yeah. That's cool. Do you want to talk about being all over the place emotionally, too? What's that about?

Is that you owe me. That's. Yes I do. No, I, I actually feel like I'm in a stable season, she says. As she's. Eight months pregnant. Currently. Okay.

I don't think I knew that because I, I read in your your bio, like my prep that you like your miscarriage is a big part of your story. And now you've got eight months and you're like creeping up on it. It's like a.

Yeah. How's it going. It's great. I haven't loving. It. I, I'm like just to like give your audience a little bit of color please. I was, I was diagnosed with severe depression and anxiety in 2019, and I have kind of been on this sort of journey of self-discovery. I would call myself mental health. Kind of ignorant. Before that, I my symptoms of my depression. I'm high functioning depressive.

So 82.

Yeah. Okay. Great. Join the club. So I never really related to that. Like on the couch. Slouchy. Yeah. So my diagnosis was quite a shock to me. And then kind of started me on this whole journey of trying to undo. Generational trauma, like, basically everything. And I love labor. Poor husband. We're not poor. He's got a lot of growth out of it, too. Has kind of been on a bit of that journey of learning. Well, it's funny.

Because, yeah, it's kind of you've opened my eyes to a lot of stuff that, you know, I'm a little bit older, so, you know, like, for me, I was just, I was just swept out under the carpet and I'll be just have another beer, you know, like, kind of thing. But actually, yeah, that's, you know, I'm a year sober now and, and that's been the best thing ever, you know, like, to be honest with you, that is just really sorted me out, to be honest. Yeah. And, made me fully level. And, I mean, obviously I had my good days and bad days too, but.

Well, what creative people. So we and we naturally have a bit of ebb and flow. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah yeah. What about you Zach.

What about me.

Well you depressed too obviously.

Well I have a, I have it's called sickness. I'm. Yeah. Maybe that's the word that you've heard before but it's a cycle. It's pretty cyclical and it's very high functioning. And usually my episodes are about 24 days long, so, like, I can literally measure them and probably three times a year. So, hey, we've just learned how to cope. My family and I've kind of learned how to manage that. I'm also sober. That helped a lot. I've got, by the time this comes out, I'll have five years, you know? So.

Well, that's,

That's over during Covid, which is a big part of my life. Just I even call it my relational recovery story. Like, I have a, like, I think actually giving up alcohol was easier than giving up some of the religious, like, trauma, you know, some of the store trauma in my life, in my body. So, so, yeah, I'm akin to your story in a couple of different ways. And it's, that's really fun to hear about. How you.

Can I can I ask you a question? Sorry. I flip it back. I mean, can you feel when one of these episodes is coming on?

No, I can feel it like almost to the hour.

Oh, shit.

Yeah. Like I can, I can tell like, I've just had enough practice. Like I've been around the cycle enough. So like I can say to my, I can notice to myself and then I can say to my family, yep, it's starting. And then and then when it lifts, I can tell almost to that hour, I can tell you the last, like I came out of one. Gosh, it was sometime in late August. Or maybe. But I was in the airport in, was it, John Wayne? I was at John Wayne. And I was just sitting there. I was like, oh, it's over. Like it's done. It's pretty crazy. And the high functioning part is even more messed up because you're able to do your stuff and you go through your things, but you just feel dead inside all the time.

And it's, for me, it also manifests in a little bit of extra, like anger. So like, my depression is pretty angry. So I can usually also tell when I'm like driving in my car. If I'm in my car and I start to, like, realize I'm angrier than I should be or usually am, then that's part of my episode too. So.

Well, I love your self-awareness. That's interesting. Thank you for being honest, I like that, yeah.

How do you know or what's your what do you.

What do you know? I think I'm a little bit maybe earlier in my recovery, I think that I still I think I still can review it in great detail in hindsight. And I'm a little bit less, a little bit less self-aware, perhaps when it's happening, if that. Yeah, but I'm also a great avoider. Like if I can kind of feel things starting to bubble, I'll like. Yeah, try to course. Correct at the front end of it. But my biggest thing is just negative self-talk. So I have quite a lot of tools. But pregnancy, especially the first trimester, is a really new beast for me because I was dealing with hormones after being on contraceptive pill for a lot of my life, I hadn't experienced a lot of those hormone fluctuations for women. Sorry boys, for a second. Yeah, I'll speak. To your female audience, but like. My.

My natural, my natural cycle of emotions I'd obviously been suppressing with medication for many years. So like learning to deal with the female natural hormones, then add in pregnancy hormones as well. I think I struggled with that a little bit because it made me feel like I sort of took ten steps backwards, but it was just because it was dealing. With a different beast, if that.

Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. When, where were you? Do you mind if I ask you about your mistakes? Yeah. How far along were you? And you miscarried?

We're about 12 weeks, but the baby was only measuring nine. We had, which I don't think I would wish upon anyone. Like a window of time. That was stressful because we didn't miscarry like that and have, like, a window of things weren't quite right, which felt like an eternity.

So yeah, you guys, I know the story too. We the same thing for us. Like we had this exact same kind of miscarriage.

Yeah.

I have two now. They're 18 and 22 also. But in between the two we had, we lost one. And, Yeah. It's bizarre. How did you like what? What did you guys do? How did you respond to that? I'm especially also interested, Tom, in how do you respond to that? Because I, I had a very, very different experience than, than Rebecca did because, of course I hadn't. I hadn't connected to this baby at all. So I don't know if.

Yeah. It's different for, so for me too, it was like, you know, Kim was obviously caring and, and we talked a lot about, you know, at for me, I didn't see any physical changes. Right. Anything like that. So I don't really, you know, now I can feel the baby moving. Yeah. I'm more connected to it and, you know, and it's sort of it's more present and you know, so it's yeah, I yeah, I guess it's it's hard.

You and what she's. Doing. Yeah. You're more worried about me.

Yeah, it is more about Kim than you know. Yeah. Yeah. If that's.

Well, it's an important step because I skipped that step, like, I didn't. I wasn't upset at all. I just, I was like, oh, okay. I guess we're just not having a baby. And I moved on pretty fast. Well, and she did not. And yeah, it was a big rupture for the two of us for sure.

Yeah. I mean, for me, to be honest with you, that is kind of how I felt too. And but Kim is right there, so.

No, no, I don't want.

To be disrespectful.

But I think. You are great, though. You allowed me a lot of grace. Yeah. To mourn it, I think. Yeah. And I connected with a lot of people who had gone through it, which I found really helpful. And I sought out some professional help as well, because I was grieving something that was very different than grieving someone who, you know, you do you still treat yourself. And so I think for me too, like I just assumed I was infertile. A lot of my life. So like to have that experience and then feel like, oh, it will never happen again, or these other things like that was where I think Tom really stepped up and was helpful in supporting me because I, I have a tattoo of a blueberry on my hip and things like, I felt really connected to that first pregnancy. The first time your body is doing that, you know? Yeah.

What's the blueberry?

We just called the baby blueberry because. I got it. We found out what it was. The size of a blueberry. Yeah. So, yeah. It was exciting.

But the thing. That's right. Yeah, it's kind of like, Yeah. I mean, after that, it was a it was a bit of a journey because, you know, you did a few tests and things and, you know, there was some pretty negative test results. And what really concern me was maybe that, you know, Kim and what broke my heart was that Kim might not be able to have children. You know, there was that early sort of menopause you thing, you know, and.

Yeah, I have very close kind of.

More of a concern for me and that you know, like I did get a little bit upset about that, more, you know, I it might not be, a future there for that. So that was. Yeah, probably more concerning at the time. You know.

Yeah. Yeah. So when are you actually do.

We've got well, we've got ten, ten weeks. Ish. Just just shy of ten weeks. Yeah.

That's bonkers man. I, I'm, Yeah. That's crazy.

And, you know, fighting. No. And not we don't know.

We don't want to know what I.

Find out on the day.

Yeah. I tell you what, man, the two happiest days of my life were the days I was in the ultrasound room and they told me they were girls because, would not be a good boy, dad, I would be really bad at it. And so when I found out they were girls, I was like, yeah, it's okay. I'm so happy. I don't think I could have managed the stress of waiting and then somehow being asked to wrestle with the the feeling of it being a boy or something like, I think I would, I think I would have been just like just tossed my scrubs down on the floor and stomped out.

But I don't know how to deal with this. Yeah. Not me. I mean. I'm sure you. It'd be great. Tom's a dad already to love me. He's a great boy, dad. Sam, you would be fine. I'm sure I.

Don't know, I don't know, I'm glad I never had to test that theory, but Tommy talked to me about creativity. You said were creative people. So there's an Evenflo would talk to me about that a little bit. What does it mean to you both?

What does it mean to us?

Well, you said it, so I'm gonna I'm gonna I want to.

Yeah, yeah.

I guess we're making a living out of being.

Creative. Yeah, yeah.

I just watched your video again.

Like you.

I think it's. I think you're real is amazing. It's so,

Thank you.

It's so diverse. And then, of course, you can do New Zealand. You do English accent like. Like you can. I mean, I don't know, I just as I go, I can. If I didn't know you were from doing New Zealand, I wouldn't have known you weren't. But.

Yeah.

Yeah. So talk to me, though, about creativity.

I just think we just love it. Like that's how we met as well. Like, we're just. I think I know we just, like, we're curious people, you know? That's like what? The main thing I fell in love with Tom for is, like, he's curious, you know? And creative people are curious about problem solvers. They. Are attracted to the unattractive. That's at times like, you know, whatever that means. Like, you can we can go to Venus and like, most people will think. Like, oh, gross, disgusting. But Tom and I are like, what bloody freaks? This is awesome. Like, yeah, you know, like, there's. So much.

In Venice Beach, like California.

Totally. Yeah.

I was like, I want to go to Venice. And I think going to be amazing, but I'm thinking about Italy like, I want to be.

That would be amazing. But I think there's something in like the yeah, just something in it that we're both attracted to. And I think creating art is so fun, whatever that looks like. Right. You can't fill a cup. And I think, you know, whatever you believe in spiritually, religiously or whatever, like if you believe that you're endowed with certain gifts, like I think both of our gifts really align nicely in that creative space, you know, like Tom is and will always be a visual person. He sees things differently than I do. He like and describes things differently, and he can see beauty in what looks like a wall with a leaf, you know, like he can figure that out and make it, which is really cool. And I think for me, I'm just like, I'm so attracted to comedy and humor and, and the way people make art.

And the people that make art, whatever that is, whether it's podcasting, whether it's, you. Know, movies, I don't know. It's just I by nature it attracts a certain type of individual who's taken a. Slightly left of straight. Path. And I think they make more interesting people as well. So yeah. Yeah.

I think I so I think I told you or I sent you early on my daughter, the older one is an actress. And so she had she was working, she was working a lot or starting to work a lot. And then Covid shut her down by Covid. Just yeah, turned her whole career off. She was I think 17 when her, she was on a show that was about to get renewed and then they just said, no, we're not going to do it anymore. And so now she's home from college and she's trying to direct and do theater. And but the same thing, I'm like, I'm like, baby girl, just do art. Do art. As long as you do art, just keep I don't care. Like the world needs more art. And so I get that that's an essential part of what it means to be on the planet, and that you guys are figuring that out. You started something. You started some production company or what? Did you start together?

Yeah, we have a production company together. So at the moment we're focusing mainly on like telling people's stories through social media. So like small businesses and things, we both come from families of small businesses. So trying to find a way that we can do our art for. Good,

And that's championed other people's businesses and, you know, and banking. Yeah. Just having a voice and telling their story creatively because I mean, sometimes people, you know, they've got these amazing skills, but they might not know how to tell it themselves, you know? So like, that's where we come in and we can help people to, you know, to, to, to, to sort of really get in touch with what they are that makes them different and what, what makes the product awesome and why they do it and why they love to do it. And I think the audience loves to hear about that. And when they want to buy something locally or buy something from them, you know, because they make it with heart or whatever, you know, passion about the product. And, you know, that's what we want to show.

Yeah, we love it. And we like working together too. Like I think we both have. I was about to say. We both that we're both perfect, obviously. Yeah, we like we both, I think we both have blind spots in different areas. And that's where we kind of. That's where we kind of work well together, like some of our skills overlap. But for the most part, that quite uniquely different thing. That's what's cool too.

Yeah. No.

What do you know about your blind spots?

That Tom's better at them. So delegate. Like, I know I'm not a visual person.

I mean, what are they, like?

Like,

I'm I'm I'm like the laptop lady, so I'm also equal parts Type-A. So anything that's like admin related. Or email related or scheduling related or scripting related. I can find creativity in that. And Thomas visual through and through.

Like so anything with words I'm just I just don't know. That's how I got like, yeah, 55% of my school cert maths exam, which is like the big exams when you're 15. And yeah, I fail miserably on the most basic, like things, but it doesn't really matter to me because I, I've always wanted to be a cameraman and it's all about visual and, you know, for me. So I was happy to just follow that dream and oh, well, yeah.

But that's where I can thrive. And so then. We kind of, you know, in terms of like vision for something, you know, Tom can come at it from a completely different lens. Yeah. Which is really cool.

What do you what are you bad at? Like as a couple. Like you're if you're good at this.

That most of us.

Well as a couple like we're, we're not good at this. Like this is a this is a hard, hard thing for us. Not I don't mean in your business. I mean in your actual relationship.

Oh, yeah. I was gonna say, like, getting feedback notes is not our favorite thing. So that is something. What? Let me give you some perfect.

First, let me give you a note about how you how you answered my question. I it was wrong. I want you to answer it differently.

We don't listen.

Honestly. That. Kind of feedback I yum yum. Delicious. I like just. Like when you're really proud. Of something and you turn it in. And someone's like, hey, do this or change that, you. Know, yeah. Excuse you. So we do it, obviously. What what is in our relationship? Are we bad? Yeah.

Like, what's hard for you guys? I mean, you seem like you got you've cracked a lot of the code and figured figured out how to stay connected amid some stress and some strain, but, like, what's what's on what's on the downside.

That's a really good point. I took a good question. I really thought about that.

I think, and if I were working on this, I think we have both coming into this relationship a little like later in life. Yeah. And so I think some of our biggest obstacles that will be coming are how we deal with probably with conflict. Whereas like, I'm very wordy and this isn't saying we're bad at this. This is something that we're actively working on. We Tom might need to like walk away to cool off that triggers my like, abandonment issues. Yeah. And so like I think that like our coping mechanisms in conflict are not directly aligned, if that makes sense. So like whose do you cater to. In, Heated. Do you know there's, there's that.

Sure you're not going to Sunday. Add to that too. Yeah.

Okay. Here we go. We. Yeah.

The floodgates are now open. Yeah, right. It's funny, because.

This is not my first rodeo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So Ken likes to, to sort of, like, celebrate that and a versary every month. Yeah. So and every time we need to write a card and, like, whenever we travel, you know, if Kim's leaving to the airport, we have to write cards to each other. Now, as I mentioned earlier, I'm not good at writing, and I'm not I mean, I'm not like at writing, but at my spelling and my writing and writing. It stresses me out. So for the for me, that's something I get anxious about. And then but Kim expects me to do that because it's her love language she wants. She writes, you know, she wants to read things on paper. So so that's probably something that we probably don't sort of align with.

But you do it because, you know.

I do it because. Exactly. But for me, it's embarrassing because my writing is pretty messy.

But I love.

It. But you love it. I mean, that's fine. So I'll do it, you know? But yeah, I just might take me a little bit of time and that frustrates me. And makes me anxious sometimes. So yeah, that's something.

That I always.

Tell people. You've heard of this concept of love languages. Yeah. You know, and so I always tell people, if you met somebody and you love them and they spoke German and you spoke Japanese, you wouldn't spend the rest of your relationship going, I'm sorry, don't speak Japanese, you know? Yeah. I'm sorry, I don't know any German. You would learn a little German? Yeah. Or you would learn a little Japanese in order to. Yeah. Speak to your partner in the language they understood and made them feel comfortable and safe and, Yeah. So that's what I think that effort is just kind of go. I don't know that. Right. And I'm not that into it, but I can learn a little Japanese. It's no big deal.

No, absolutely no. Of course.

No. And I do think that the effort piece is probably something that we both were lacking or, if I can speak honestly, have I? I don't want to. Maybe that's not the right way of putting it. So maybe we were looking for that. I think we met and our effort and each other like Tom made me this amazing dinner last night at like 830, because like, that is such a kind thing that he will do.

So to me, that's my heaven. I love cooking, so we work really, I love.

I love, and I love. Eating. And I. Trust.

Kim's family with absolute all due respect, like,

Oh, are you going to shit on my family? No no no no no, I don't know.

But like no, no shit.

I cook it like this, but.

Not like that best thing that they like to do.

So I can insult my family. But you can insult my family.

Yeah, totally. It's only funny if I say it.

Yeah. You know, like.

Not at all. No, but what? My shit and cooking. No, no.

No, not at all. I'm just saying it's not the third thing to.

Anyone who knows. My family knows that we're. I think we're a hate any family, we're not cooks.

So I love cooking for them. And for them, they're like, why do you, you know, like, but I just, you know, to me, that's my love language. And I really enjoy it. And I if for me it's nothing really, I don't think it's anything I said more of. Yeah. But they really benefit and I love it. So I'm really pleased that that's all worked out.

But what we're good at is just being like super intense and all about whatever you're doing. We're like the cheerlead family. So like that's what's been cool. In addition to Tom and his son Luis lives is we're like, we don't come as one. We come as like 213 of us. And we're like, this way. Yeah, we'll show up to everything. Yeah.

Right. Yeah.

How old is Louie?

Louie? Nearly ten.

Okay. And do you play mom? Do you play stepmom, or has that work for you guys?

Yeah, I have a great stepmom. Still awesome. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I love it. I, I feel very fortunate that I, I have had some amazing step parents in my life, so I had a lot of great relationships to mirror off and make sense. And being a step child to a lot of people also taught me a lot of lessons. So Louis and I are great. We have also.

Had a bit of a relationship, but it's.

Yeah, he's awesome.

So where does he live?

New Zealand? Yeah.

Is there anything I meant to ask this question at the top? Is there anything that we should know about the difference between, say, New Zealand marriage and American marriage? Is that it is there a is there a thing? Is there a culture? Is it still pretty western or like is there like a no? These these are different in this way.

I just no. I guess the only thing would be is that y'all do a lot more fanfare in the build up for bride. Like, you have a bridal shower, and there's a lot of more things and stuff.

So the wedding is different.

Yeah, the process. But in terms of, like, marriage and relationships. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe y'all have Jesus at the center of it. A little bit more probably than sometimes. And yeah, in some cases.

It's not such a big deal in New Zealand.

Really. Yeah.

I mean, there's some people.

Yeah.

Some people are, you know, like but I think us Kiwis like to keep our business, you know, like our business. So like yeah I think that's you know, people don't kind of people don't like to talk too much and. Yeah. And kind of keep to themselves a bit. So like we've got a thing called tall poppy syndrome. So if you, you know, if you sort of oh, we're so great, we're going to have this amazing wedding. Everyone's a bit like, oh, you know, like, why do you think you're so great? Yeah.

You know, which is also why we don't really fit in there very well because we're like, we are awesome. We are the.

Greatest. Yeah, yeah. Do you want a how does how about how does New Zealand feel about Australia.

Oh they're awesome. Oh yeah we're friends. My my dad grew up where he grew up in Australia. So I love the Aussies. And I think.

It's like healthy competition. But honestly it's more like something to do. I don't think there's any real rivalry to it.

We're we're full on. We're brothers and sisters, big time. But I think there's a good, healthy rivalry there in sports. Yeah. Like we're better at rugby than them and hopefully cricket, but, yeah, the Aussies will disagree with it. And we sort of, you know, and bitter cynical parable over which is like a cake. And I Rick and I did and yeah, there's a few things like that.

Was really intense kind of, you know. Issues. Yeah. Yeah.

Tom, how did you decide to get sober and can you use the phrase in my sobriety, are you also sober, like, or is that something that's true of the two of you? And how do you how did you come to that spot in your lives?

Yeah. Well, I just got a bit tired of it, actually, to be honest. You know, I. Yeah, I've been a cameraman for 20 odd years and, you know, on the road a lot. And, you know, I kind of. Yeah, I just sort of. I grew up in a hospitality background. My parents had restaurants. My dad loved a few wines in the evenings. And he passed away recent. Well, a few years back now, but passed away primary liver cancer. So, you know, and I would say a lot of that probably contribute to, you know, to, to good living. We could say, so, yeah. And I'm sort of I sort of looked at my own habits and thought, if I don't sort of pull my head down, or then maybe that's something that, you know, might be in my future perhaps.

So I decided to, you know, to pull the pen on. And to be honest with you, I just got over. I just didn't enjoy being drunk anymore. I didn't enjoy hangovers. I found them a real struggle. I started getting fit, you know, I was going to the gym and that was more of a priority for me, and I couldn't do that. Hung over. Yeah. I just wanted to be. And I know this sounds a bit cliche, but I just really wanted to be the best I could be, you know? And I found I would get ratty and a little bit argumentative with cam sometimes because I was a hangover or whatever, and I was just like, you know what?

Like, I don't think this, you know, I don't want this for my family. Like, I don't want to be that guy stomping around, being a bit of a dick, you know? So yeah, I decided to, to sort of pull my head in and stop it and see how I went with that. And it just, it changed everything to want to say it just for me, really. I mean, I do miss a glass of wine every now and again for sure, but, you know, I really love waking up in the morning knowing I'm going to be, you know, I'm going to have a great day. That's what really did it for me. And I feel a level head, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I it's probably a longer answer than you expect.

It's a beautiful answer. It's an important. Answer.

Yeah. So that's kind of in a nutshell why I decided to go down that path. Yeah.

Cool. How about for you?

Yeah. I just want to say I'm going to not drink for a bit. I just said, I'll do it with you. I, I have alcoholism in my family, so I've always actually kind of steered more towards sobriety for a lot of my life out of fear that that should, in my DNA. A few bad experiences when I was younger, just ending up places I shouldn't be or whatever, and just not having. Not. Being quite fearful of that feeling of not being in control of. So I wouldn't say I was ever really drunk too. Often. But I also learned to have a lot of fun with alcohol and with Tom, too. So but if he wanted to make that decision to be sober too, like it was a no brainer, like Co would do it together because, you know, we. Were drinking in each other's.

Company really. So and then it kind of what turned into a month turned into we'll wait till Christmas turned, you know, really needed as much. Yeah. You know, I think I think for us it was just readjusting what fun looks like, you know, we did have a lot of fun drinking. Chardonnay and, limoncello in Italy and, you know, like. Yeah, times. It was fun. It just.

Is, you know, like.

In between times of then, right? Like that. Then all of a sudden you're pairing it with every dinner and. Yeah. Yeah. And I just, I can't keep out. I can't deal with hangovers. So yeah.

I mean I've had to pull over a few times and yeah, it comes from it.

Yeah. Yeah. I can't handle like I'm not, I'm not built like the rest of my family. So, So it was, it was more a decision out as. Yeah.

I guess like in life too. Like we, we throw everything into it, you know, and we try and to be, like, do the best we can at something. Yeah. So I think when we're having a few drinks, we like to have a few drinks too, you know, like it's kind of. Yeah, I think that's kind. So it can be quite dangerous with that kind of. Yeah. You know, kind of, zest for life.

So now we have different fun. We have ceremonial grade cacao. And gold mining at night time.

Yeah.

We're great.

You watch gold mining. Is that a show?

Yeah, it's a lifestyle. It's a lifestyle?

Yeah, yeah, I haven't tried it.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Just gold mining shows Americans finding gold, I don't know. Yeah.

You're not kidding. That's a seriously that you're not.

That's why we watch.

Because I quite like gold mining. Yeah. Years ago. And, Yeah, there's a great there's lots of great shows, but there's one particularly Bering Sea gold, I love it. And,

Just some drug of choice. Yeah, yeah.

So we're just allowed to sit down and watch and cuddle on the couch and drink soda water. Coca, cacao.

Yep. Ceremonial grade. And.

A little bit of dark chocolate or something. You know, it's a treat. And just sit there and just watch some good, good quality television, you.

Know, go to bed by 935. It's fucking good.

Start all over. Yeah. All right. So next is your baby. And then, what else is on the agenda? You got projects coming up. Are you doing anything.

You have. Finished? Well, sorry. In New Zealand, we say fingers in pies. Americans. You guys say balls in the air. Okay. Yeah. Just say your audience doesn't get a graphic of us fingering pies.

Yeah. There you.

Go. We, We're kind of. We're in a weird kind of situation in life where, you know, our industry, along with many others, is changing dramatically. So, yeah, we don't want to pivot away into anything else. We love what we do. So we're kind of just casting the net a little wider, being really open creatively to different things, different approaches. Like I said, we're doing social media stuff. Tom just submitted for some short film funding. So we're doing a documentary.

We've got.

A documentary. Yeah, we've got so much going on. Yeah, everything and nothing. Does that make. Sense? We're like, just what's. The worst business advice? We just cast the net really wide and see kind of what sticks. Yeah that's great.

It's like I think it's.

Like,

Yeah. You just figure out what?

We don't know what's going to happen.

Well, I think that's where the industry is. It's like no one knows the path where we're going yet. So you're taking all these paths at the same time and just trying to figure out which one's going to yield fruit, you know what I mean? So, yeah, I think that's kind of what we're doing, really. But I mean, to the core, we're we're creators, you know, and creatives. So, yeah, I think that's ultimately what we're doing. And I think everyone needs content, like people need to be entertained. People need, to advertise their businesses, whatever. So, you know, I mean, we've been doing it for 20 odd years now, so, you know.

You've said that a couple of times, we've doing it. That's not how long you've been together. 20 odd years.

No saying that's how long was both been in the industry.

In the business?

Yeah, we've been together three years and five months. I would you know, I celebrate every every month.

Haha. Yeah. What's the day? What day? Is there a day like.

Fort.

29th of well, the 29th of every month, but yeah.

Every month we get a card of some sort.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right. Yeah. Stamp that. You got a I know.

Weirdly, my wife's birthday is tomorrow, and if I remember that caller, I will be like, that would be here. I'll be here.

She's. Oh my gosh.

She's out of town this weekend so I won't see her tomorrow.

But saying I love you have to call.

Yeah I know, I know. Maybe just send me a reminder. You know, put task it out on your, on.

My.

Laptop. Yeah. Like, Zach, don't forget to call Rebecca for her.

Birthday.

Which kind.

Comes. Got it tattooed on an ankle. So, like the date. So if I'm always about. Oh, that's right. Yeah.

What day is it? The 29th. Yeah. And then you're you're all set except for February, but then you're covered every four years.

So,

What was the 29th? It was the day you got married. The day you met, the day you.

But the day that Tom asked me out. And then the day we got married two years later.

Okay. I had to actually ask her out, like, I was, quite an interesting thing for me, because I'm very old school, and it was, Yeah. Like, we sort of technically we would official until I actually asked her, like, Will you be my girlfriend? Which was. Yeah. So that was pretty. That was pretty neat.

So I'm a millennial. I spent too much of my 20s. Being like, is this a. Thing? I'm like, yeah, I want clarity, confirmation and clarity.

Yeah. What do they call that, a situationship.

Yeah. Doing that.

Not interested. I love it. Well, I'm really glad to meet you both. And, it's been really fun to talk to you. And, it's cool when people are aware enough of what's hard, you know, like depression or addiction or dependency anyway, like, and then they pivot. They pivot with resources and, and seems like your best resources are sitting right next to you, which is the coolest. Yeah. You know.

That's, so.

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having us. It.